Hi Pamela and welcome (-: Empathy is not going to help him but him coming face to face with reality will. I hope that you can turn this marriage around like you did your last! [1] Being assertive means advocating for yourself without disrespecting someone else (in this case, the narcissist). It took me awhile to recover but the next time he begin, I immediately put him in his place and each time he tried to come out, I put him in his place again. He has been a major womanizer and into porno all my married life. Tanya and Genelle, My story is the same too :/. They dont out run their lessons. It is so hard to read his a apologies and statements of ownership and progress. Thank you! He will call me up, complain about work and when I tell him maybe he should try to work it out this way, I get lectured about its his job and should I expect him to go fight with his boss? He cant sustain connection for any consistent amount of time. ), unless some woman forces him to that isbut think I need to for myself. Thank you Kim, reading your stuff has helped me so much to become a stronger person. I know that I need to be patient and quiet.. I wonder if maybe there is something else you wish to gain in doing so.?. . But Id love to hear him say he wanted to work on it again. There is no one answer to this question, as the best way to hold a narcissist accountable will vary depending on the situation and the severity of the narcissist's behavior. If you didnt know how to set the boundary back then, rubbing a persons face in it now is not going to do anything but make them resent you. Forever taking and never giving. If there is anyone who can possibly help us with the legal stuff, we would greatly appreciate it. This is all past tense and yet in my head it feels like yesterday. I think it is wise that you talk to him but also be prepared. Well see how long that will last. I told you I would lend you half of the repo and you had to pay half, which I did. I rarely can get my husband to admit when he is wrong. I kept thinking I was going crazy. Kim, what is the natural consequence for ongoing, deliberate, hostile silence that is simply meant to punish? Kim, thank you for taking a leadership role and sharing with us what worked for you! He is a deeply insecure person when it comes to intimacy. I said you dont have to pretend or lie anymore to anyone because I will speak for you and I will give you a chance to get the rest you need. Man, I dont know how anyone believes they can make a mistake and refuses to own it like my friend thinks. When I was in Grad school, the therapists teaching the classes on Child Therapy would say to ignore a childs bad behavior and eventually it would be extinguished. Thank you to all the people who have made comment on this site, it sure has opened my eyes. Then, after he left, I was right out of my mind, and nasty, until I started getting some help. Is it an NPD thing that they dont do phone calls? It seems that people like this can move on so easily without a second thought about you or the pain, anguish, and despair they cause to those they leave in their wake.. Others opinions of me do not matter or define who I am and what I am. I dont know how to get passed this hurdle, but I am willing to try because deep down, I believe he is a good man. You know that he will blow up and make a scene about this so be prepared. Who should be the person who deals out his consequences? Everything that came out of his mouth was horrible. My story is not so different from many documented here. Play as nice as you can and de escalate the fight and let the heat come down on him from police. I thought things would change they dont. But women are usually the worst for believing every word he says. hi Kim I just read Back from the looking glass, I cannot wait to get a plan going and start this long journey. . I appreciate your indepth understanding, and drive to help others. I only realized what narcissism is about when my current boyfriend told me he was a narcissist , I didnt get it at first. Sounds similar Marie. Hi Renee and welcome! He is unwilling to change I have tried to work it our for my kids sake hes a good dad Just a lousy husband or even friend to me and I will be the bad guy if I divorce him because no one sees it or wants to. How can I ever trust that this isnt the beginning of another end? Hang in their people get yourself educated about their illness and know this is a mental condition. I texted him saying I wanted to thank him for the wonderful time I had but being rushed out of the house was not acceptable. I ignored all of his suggestions, found a fab clinic to provide all my treatments in, perfect location and great clients to gain Before that happened we split up after him not handling our discussion about his controlling ability. I understand the need of getting these things off your chest. I just didnt take his bait and didnt talk about the negative thing he was trying to focus on about me. My avenue of communicating with him from closeness instead of opposition was shut down. He got tunnel vision obsessed with job the aderall had him on the go, then yo projects in house( over 3 years and not one of the many projects to house completed) I was mainly emotional, feeling ignored by him. You should also make it clear in this report that you fear this may be a symptom of the medication he has been prescribed. I am done beating my head into a wall. It has been a while since i wrote last. Setting boundaries is one thing but if he is not attached to you yet it probably wont work. He was a wonderful, handsome man. Slavery works like that; not freedom. The guy Im living with even wrote 2 books and the first one he is actually describing the messiah (him). It is a relief to find this page. A narcissist knows how to turn on the charm when they need to. Hi Ann, I certainly agree with Kim. Your opinion on the matter is no longer relevant. The saddest part is to deal with our son who copies his father, takes no responsibilty for his own behaviour and impossible to reason with most of the time. Kim, I felt more distant. He couldnt see any connection to his actions and thought that I was arbitrary and unfair. I have a beautiful daughter which is not his, but whom he has been in her life for more than half her life. Is it OK to do this? I cant redo what happened between us and he has no interest at all in making any changes in himself and obviously hes not interested in me anymore and Im wasting my time by trying. I do mean literally do anything to not be found out. Mine treated me like a queen for 6 months. Neg hitting, a compliment followed by a slight insult, is one of his favourites. Kim, I havent yet bought your book Looking Glass. Confused. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. I guess he was held accountable for his choices and the natural consequences for his behavoir was the loss of his family. Thank you. I said that I would speak for him and get the whole world off his back and all he had to do was be quiet and useful and learn what it was like at home with him not around. Who does something like that to their kids? Its just he has been so good about making me feel bad if I dont help him out and making it out to be me not loving him. I love him and I am concerned for him. Thanks for writing MJ and congratulations on your new found courage and strength! Now that I have a voice and he suffers consequences.he is can be harder to deal with. Thank you for all your supportive emails that inspire me and others. But, I dont know if the good is genuine. 3. Doing so, it began to dawn on me why my husband is who he is. Every crazy thing that has ever happened in our relationship that I could never understand was outlined in the characteristics and traits of a person with NPD. They are give and give. The child is held accountable and encouraged to recognize and understand a feeling . RUN RUN RUN if you can. He abandons almost daily conversations/e mails/helping me. Narcissists engage in hot-and-cold behavior and intermittent reinforcement to keep you hooked in the relationship. 11) Since my son was going to eventually get my old car and your car was part of the bankruptcy and they were going to take it, I suggested that I buy a new car 10 month earlier than I needed too. My advice is not to have to live with someone like this because it is not love but something not yet defined in the annals of DSM and will and does only get worse over time. Moved in with me and 6 months later started choking me, beating me, humiliating and belittling. I would like to hear more about how to protect our 10-year-old son. Seems he decided to leave only after we were married. They want to manipulate us and push and bully us into believing we do not have the right to stand up for ourselves . For how to get in control of a double life, I really dont see any chance. Ive so learned that people like her are the good ones, the ones you wnat to know. Leopards never change their spots, they just get darker and he is up to all his old tricks and then some. The link is as follows: http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167. I know he will never agree to have his check deposited into my account. Dependency: You feel out of control and rely on the narcissist (often unwillingly . They want you to become irrational to have an excuse for their behavior. This was NOT my desired outcome but a result of our unique situation and personalities, and was not the fault of any of the materials or tips Id used during the time I tried to rescue myself and the marriage. Thanks Kim. I have never loved nor despised a man as much as my n I was told that Your friends have told me you have drinking issues and you are not in control and Im worried about you This was said in a romantic restaurant in central London so Sandy stormed out and ran away.. (storm no 1) Then I was told that Im not conforming and I should accept him for who he is and was immediately slighted for not complying to his needs Storm no 2 On this one he persuaded me into the car and verbally abused me for an hour whilst locking me into the car Ive had telephone calls at the middle of the night for 3 hours with him trying to explain his point of view because I just dont get it Its a sad thing being codependent but Im now aware of my upbringing and why I always look for men to approve me. I think the boss may be annoyed with him now because he is always finding stuff wrong no one else does hence making others look bad, hes been given some questionable stuff to do that I actually wondered if the boss is setting him up for failure. Don't fall for the temptation to sink to their level. I felt the need to give it to him as part of the seperation process for me. Pride kills humility. It is the unhealthy part of their thinking. Do I just let go of this since it is the past? Its hard to give up on a man who has saved you in waysand who you know deep down, he is a good manbut his fear keeps him from being able to create real intimacy, and build on a relationship based on trust and honesty. To me he is like a predator sucking the happiness out of his prey and then throwing them away when they are sad. Only within the last couple of years did I start studying manipulation techniques for something unrelated. I am so glad to know about it! It also focus the responsability, in oneself(mua). Maintain Boundaries. 5) During that second move, you got mad at me again and watched my 11 year old daughter who had been on her feet for two days, with 4 hours of sleep and having a cold. 9) You had messed up your credit so much that I suggested for you to file bankruptcy to get out from under your debt and start over. He has his own rules that no one else knows about. Did he just not bond with me and I did with him and that is why this seems harder? I found out after many years that my father had these traits, and I dated several men over the years very much like him. Could I have returned to Germany? Acter admitting this fi me durung an alcohil binge,he latdr denied. Hang in there Amy and you be careful to follow the steps in Back from the Looking Glass about leaving because it really can escalate the abuse. We have two terrific kids. As much as he wanted it to look so, he hated the reality of being accountable for anything especially his own word. Admittedly, at times, the narcissist finds it hard control his rage. I will not protect him from repercussions of hurtful, moral wrongs, and what society accepts as odd behavior. This morning I get this txt from him Is it OK though that I gave him time to make a decision and set a time for him to tell me? To add perspective he was not in communication around the birth, claiming the number on his old phone didnt transfer correctly (hed moved to NZ a few months earlier but hadnt told me, I heard from a friend of his, and I got in contact with him looking up surnames in the phonebook as I knew hed be living with his Dad) and his reason for not emailing me..his stepmother was always on the computer and so he couldnt! Be bold be smart be loving be caring be humble and then if he fails to respond positively Id say there is a problem, he may be preoccupied with something he cant talk to you about could be some issue at work or family, he could be bullied at work but doesnt see it as bullying. In this Narcissistic form of social justice, holding personal accountability as an activist, is viewed as an automatic, one-down position, where the oppressor has "won". Im tired of it and have told him that this isnt working for mehes too irritated and frustrated with me so much of the time, and Im burnt out on the tension and the fighting. Im a survivor. Holding a person accountable for what they did in the past is a waste of time and should be forgotten. In the mean time, I date other men on a non-sexual basis but for some reason, my heart is drawn to my NPD friend. My spouse left and never said why just left and of course it is all my fault. I wish people would wake up. Hi Liddabird and welcome, I appreciate your sentiments but if you share children taking them away without court permission is considered kidnapping and most people with NPD are very good at charming the court system. lets talk about his controlling ability. Perhaps it is my personality, or my relationship with God, but I still believe everyone deserves love, and can finally see this man as woundedI do love him still with all my heart, and want to help without losing my soul in the process. Sonia. He owes me money and keeps asking for more. Dear Kim, I have the book and the workbook and have been working on it. So yesterday I brought Monica a new cheque, wrote my phone number on the envelope, told her from now on she is to call me that he is busy at work to take such calls. It was days later that I discovered the truth after he got drunk and sent me my pics in a textsbut he of course had no idea how he got my pics??!!! My guess is that he may be hiding credit cards you dont know about and is struggling to meet the repayments. I suppose that I feel that Ive lived the giving mantra for long enough to build up some trust with him, and that now it is time to add some amount of holding him accountable. As many people have pointed out here, I try to reason with someone who seems to have the emotional and rational capability of an eight year old. Was left for me is to accept the real him and stop falling for the fantasy of who I would like him to be. Working with a qualified mental health professional experienced in treating victims of abuse is important. And of course its all my fault! I felt sorry for her. I understand why women with children with the narcissist stay with the NPD because of the children hoping things will change and get better, they have committed to marraige and family. ANYTIME I complain about anything there is ABSOLUTELY no sympathetic response from him. Now because I am moving across the country, I am being blamed for him losing the house. I have had yet another bereavement recently (my mother) i have had 3 in just under 3 years and have found it very difficult to flatline ie show no emotion ever in his precense. I have not entered a relationship yet until I am convinced hes relationship material. Pay attention to what your partner does more than what he or . Still in shock over a year later. So I have learned that it is best to let true Narcissist alone, especially those that have untreated and unrecognized borderline along with the condition. If you are trying to hold people accountable for what has happened in the past I would suggest thatinstead you make the decision to forget it. I have said this before but setting a boundary with a promise is like thinking you have built a fence by drawing a line and asking your horses not to cross it. It is so difficult not to become bitter. 8) When my 15-year-old son called me crying and wanted to move back home after moving in with his dad for a year to try and have a relationship with him which was not working. He is truly an emotional invalid with little ability to connect. I dont contribute to what they have wittnessed, he is doing a fine job of that by himself. But he invented all kinds of stories about how succesful he was. We are going to change this? My question is, it would be great to rely on someone else (police, doctor, etc) to deliver the bad news to him about his behavior, but the things my husband does are too mild for that. She has a cookie business, that he controls of course. Getting our own relationship situations under our control with Gods help..is not optional if we want to live all the numbers of our days offered to us at birth. Why do i hurt for him so much when i know it will not change and he has moved on. I was married to someone who could be defined as a toxic narcissist for thirteen years. Oh, this one is huge. Thank you Kim and Steve for your inspirational insights Im trying to hang in there!!!! The kids are terrified of him due to the many dangerous situations he put them in (drIving drunk, putting an apple on their head and prentending to throw an apple at their heads, forgetting one of the kids when he would leave to go get more beer, exposing them to porn, girlfriends jewelry, etc., etc.). Is there a point when I can tell, he has decided he does not want to get better and is not planning to do so? I dont want to walk away but he is pushing me away so far and I just wonder how you all find the strength to continue the dance during times like that. He has refused to speak to me for the past 3 months, but has called my friends and family and told them I am mentally ill, he has tried to take our children from me without speaking to me, he has come to my house uninvited, and he has taken money from me. He was very serious about making the change. And yet, Id give anything to turn back the hands of time and find a way to work through thisbelieving in my heart that we could both emerge more whole and healed and have a wonderful life! Naturally being codependent I resolved that one and pretended all was fine but felt deeply hurt. My counselor told me that he would understand if I stuck with the relationshipbut he needed me to know that even the strongest of women are affected on some level that they may not even realize and that many of his current older clients are suffering dire consequences of enduring this behavior long term. Refusing to challenge a narcissist's opinion helps you avoid the risk of being attacked. Well long story short, I have made the decision to end the relationship because I have finally realized that he has been using, abusing and manipulating me and it has nearly destroyed me. If narcissists are sure that theyre perfect, why would they mess with success? No more thinking they can manipulate you and do whatever else they want without having to answer for it. It was all my fault she says because I crossed the line but she didnt do anything wrong. It does hurt tremedously though because I do love him and wanted to marry him one day. (Still do in my heart, although head says differently.). You cannot judge a persons personal choices involving themselves and their body by how it makes you feel, that is your responsibility. This is often referred to as "love bombing." It went from serious concern about his behaviors to the police belittling my call for help (we are not here to solve your relationship problems) and the mental health services deciding Im disturbed and needed to be put in hospital against my will to give me a break from my husband. He is 40 years old and although we are living separately, my choice, he wishes for us to move to Australia together. And we are the ones that love them most of all! Never her.Now after almost a year up here. Thanks you! No sleep and he would keep me awake I feared sleep for a year because as soon I fell a sleep he was gonna wake me either to be sweet or to fight. I am becoming the woman I was when we met the one he hated. And he has told others (not me of course) that he thinks I was abusive to him. Eventually he began to say that he couldnt say one word with there being an issue. I sit here feeling alone, empty, worn outas usual, he was in his funk, I was invisible most of the time to him, his excuse is his job issues(once again). NPD is a very child-like personality disorder, so it would behoove us to learn some child therapy techniques if were going to love and live with a Narcissist. One thing I know is that until it hurts them more to be the way they are then to change, nothing, I mean nothing will change them. I wish you all peace and kindness in your lives. He always managed to pull me back. he says I am paranoid and obsessisve and crazy and has no empathy for my feelings. My Nar is no better than the next person and should have to integrate in society with what is seen as the social norms. "Knowing that a trap exists is the first step in avoiding it." Trauma bonds are a trap that children form that can hold them back from living healthy lives as adults. I dont want to get you in trouble, it just scares me and I dont know what else to do.. I thought this would be easier than the long, drawn out emotional battles with me trying to get him to be accountable in our relationship. Also, since it is getting harder to jack with mehe is moving on to our 13 year old daughter. The love-bombing stage is over. I did this wrong more than once before, I wanted to leave him four times already out of anger, out of fear and just in the heat of the moment, when we were arguing. and after everything they do we still crying for them?- there must be some personality traits that mirror ours. Otherwise be kind to yourself by forgiving them, but make sure you are prepared with better scripts next time. I try not to belittle. I bought your book about 18 months ago, started working on myself and learning how to deal with a man like him and, and I am thrilled to say, we have both made major progress. Hi Ann, This is why it is so important to not leave yourself in the position of being the judge. You do not *ever* talk to a doctor about someone else without their permission, and you do not respectfully obtain permission by stating what you are going to need to do.. I do know he does not have credit cards because he just filed bankruptcy. signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Holding a Narcissist Accountable - TheNCMarriage.com. Then on the first you told me you didnt have the money because it was Christmas and you needed money. He is a little boy on the inside. Hi Shannon and welcome here and in my short ebooks I hope you find the help you need (-: Please, What does your comment is awaiting moderation mean? Years later he still says it was all my fault and I made it all up. But now, we are looking at the possibility of him losing his business and losing out home. He came back the same except, I know am aware of his limitations as well as mine. Keeping rapport at the same time as setting boundaries is tough but a balancing act that helps a person become a better leader for sure! Feeling ripped off - if they didn't get a sizeable inheritance. I cant continue this with the emotional scares he is dragging my daughter through as he plays daddy for the last four years then suddenly heads for the hills to go MIA without an explanation. Oh yes! We have bitter fights about the importance of money in a married relationship. After numerous requests for cooperation (5 years), (met with abject denials) I eventually went to my boss and asked that I deal with her through emails. I thought that maybe I missed reading something. He says they are not having sex. Once he stopped the aderall i could see manipulating, the narassium. To shut down a narcissist, you have to be more prepared than . But that makes it no less hurtful and no less difficult to accept how she simply trashed our hopes and dreams together. Work on attachment and boundaries (there are defined in The Love Safety net Workbook) before you think about forgiving and the new church sounds great just give it some time. And even that can be a prolonged struggle, given their profound dependence on their victims. You need to write a clear account of his behaviour that is concerning you from the perspective of him as a patient. One of the most frustrating things about living, loving or working with a person with the signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder can be their lack of accountability. annulled. All of the blaming, name-calling, lying, deflecting, financial abuse is worse. As you can imagine finances have been a total mess and Im trying to save bits at a time for your book. As my counselor said, he wont change, but as I change he will either adjust or leave. However if they perceive that they do not need you to feel secure and happy you had better find a way to get out quickly because they have no incentive to check their behaviour. His entire lifes circumstance from living with his mother in the islands to now living with his father in NZ is everyone elses fault due to their crazy/controlling/manipulative behaviour and his unlucky breaks due to.insert martyr action of his here. Your suggestions would probably work with those who have narcissistic tendencies but not people who have malignant narcissism which is a very rare condition. I dont want my children to be like him. Later that day he comes home and tells me what a nice lady she is and he had a good conversation with herwait a minuteshe called him while he was busy at work, misinformed him saying it bounced, he gets all snappy with me and he calls her back all nice with an answer that I providedI feel like he is always the good guy with everyone else, never wants to look bad in front of anyone and yet I know the real him. The other piece of this for me isI know that somewhere along the way, Im going to really NEED him for something. Jackie, you hit it so head on. He doesnt qualify to ge a divorce. Linda, thanks for your insight. 12 Ways to Break a Narcissist's Heart 1 Ignore their forms of manipulation. Sometimes were in love with the image of the person that we admire. It is important to not fulfill any of their requests unless they reciprocate the energy. I appreciate your concern but I can put you at easy because one thing that you are not aware of is that I am not and never have been afraid of him physically. I fell in love with what I thought it was a good sense of self, while I was searching for mine. So I guess I would ask you to ask yourself if you are grieving or co-dependent(co-dependence effects most of our relationships). The letter should be very matter of fact and unemotional and only stress your concern about him. We have to stop becoming fuel for these types of people. I know he is or will spread this lie about me because when I first met him, he said the same thing about his exWifehe lied about her and is gonna use the same lies on me?? I have been debating for the past 2 years on whether or not I will stay. I knew something was wrong, but I was so accustomed to allowing people to disregard and abuse me that I did give it the attention it deserved. Instead, refocus on yourself and on rebuilding a better life (not for the narcissist, but for you). In our last phone call (a phone call was a rare event) I confronted him with the bad behavior, some of which is aboveall I got for that was this text, which also said that my words have power over him and IM NOT RESPONSIBLE! I am committed to make my marriage work! im from a broken abusuded unluved drug home.my parents were awful.what 1didnt think of that was shady the other1would.they were the greety who took from the week and needy.az long as thier lst dollar was in thier pocket they could care less who suffered.well i do believe in karma.and just in case i may neva get the chance 2 hear or c.i kicked them 2 curb.and all my syblenz.i am the only1 out of 6kdz reached out and got help 4 the hell i lived and seen.but i unlike them have self admitance.i dnt lie or deni i tell it like i c it.that causes waves every where in my life.but i no who i am.i am a mother of 5 beautiful kids and they hear i luv u everyday.and there r reprocutions 4bad choices.and i make sure i praise them when they mk good choices.

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