Joseph Pinkston in his excellent book, with Robert Cromie, Dillinger, A Short and Violent Life writes of the apprehension of Dillinger gang member Leslie Homer and of his advice given to Racine officers in November of 1933. Hammer carried his Triplelock in a shoulder holster. Lock up okay, but gun is likely non functional. Working primarily along the South Texas border, Hamer became known as an expert shot. However, it certainly wasn't his only one. colt .38 Super head space 1911forum site:www.1911forum.com - Google Search. The platform allows good control for those who practice. Thanks, Matt. HT110, OW86, W:D71) called Old Lucky, either in a holster on his right side, or, when he was no longer required to ride a horse, simply tucked into his waistband. He is buried in Austin. I have three .38 Supers and enjoy them very much. Serial numbers 1TR to 200TR were reserved for the deluxe engraved examples. Started reloading rounds as store bought ones were not to my liking. Gun is heavy but soaks recoil nicely, shoots straight. That is, you cant have a gun which is chambered for any cartridge which has been used by any military anywhere at any time (Im sure theres an exception for 12 gauge shotguns and rimfires). Five days later Barrow and Methvin killed Constable Cal Campbell and kidnapped Commerce, Oklahoma Chief of Police Percy Boyd. The rifle was modified to accept a police only 15-round magazine. It fired a .429-inch, 200 grain lead, round-nose bullet at around 870 feet per second and 336 ft-lbs energy which equaled the .44 Russian's traditional 246 grain load. Like many lawmen of his era, Hamer adorned Old Lucky with carved pearl stocks,. per page . At the age of 24 years old, Hamer established and maintained order in Navasota. Seller: Cliffs Guns Safes Reloading. Texas Meet Arkansas I own 2 Colt 1911 ( gov model and custom shop) and they are amazing! Enjoy your new .38 Super! Ive always wanted to experience the Super and am glad I did it. In 1905, he captured a horse thief while he was working on a ranch in West Texas. as well as lawmen had caught on to bullet proof vests and their resistance to .45 caliber penetration. While I have relegated most of my collection to the comfort of the safe, I loved the pistol and carried it for years. The Starburst Pattern G-10 grips really grabbed and held onto the hand, too. There are a fair number of barrels available from several manufacturers at a price point from $51 up too the $250 range. Mexican law forbids the sale or possession of any firearm chambered in a military caliber. Posts: 24,416. , This is a great history of a very great man fighting bad men including LBJ and the criminal democratic party, Your email address will not be published. Great shooter with all loads but it really shines with the 124 gr. I reload for mine so ammunition is not a problem, All loads are made up in rimless Starline match brass and with a load the pistol likes I can get 2 groups at 25 yards. Thus the six shooter was born. Stevenson and Hamer met the lawyers at the Alice Hotel and Hamer told them to take off their coats so that the well-armed gangs employed by the Duke of Duvall,George Parr, would know that they were unarmed. It has never been used by a military. Regular Price. The little guy hold an honorary place in my collection and I smile when I think back to when I purchased it for $100.00. Burley Auction Group * Caspian Arms. I purchased a Colt Goldcup National match 38 super elite used back in the late 1980s and still have it. To me, affinity for those two rounds would go hand in hand. Competition shooters are .38 Super Auto fanatics. Guy I worked for said to try this, a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super. M. T. Gonzaullas, 1921 Thompson Sub-Machine Gun, Ranger H. Purvis, 1950 Colt .38 Super, Ranger Glenn Elliott, 1857 Manhattan Firearms Co. "Navy" Revolver, Capt. Call me the oddball but I prefer the .40 S&W in an actual S&W or the .38 Spl. Colt 1911 Heritage .38 Super Full-Size Stainless Pistol with Custom Scroll Engraving. The Pre-War Colt .38 Super or "Super 38" were produced from 1929-1945. The ammo is not as hard to find as stated in the article. The gun men fell back but then they tried to follow Stevenson into the bank. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. My first gun was a colt .38 super from 1958 which i inherited from my uncle who was a big gun enthusiast. Bill Wilson and Trace understood this, and Wilson had a simple solution: Offer each Ranger any 1911 Wilson Combat made, modified as they requested, but with special Texas Ranger markings. $1,836.00. My carry ammo is loaded considerably hotter (think 923 Winchester level). When asked by one of the rioters whether he would surrender the prisoner, Hamer replied,Any time you feel lucky come on, but when you start up the stairway once more, there is going to be many funerals in Sherman. This quieted the crowd for twenty or thirty minutes according to Hamers official statement. I have purchase all the cheap stuff, Armscor, Magtech and Aguilla in 125 to 130 grain, you can find it for $15 ish a box. Their deaths ended a legendary Depression-era crime spree that spanned the central U.S. and included holdups of more than a dozen banks and scores of small shops and gas stations. Shortly thereafter, many Rangers adopted the platform, first in .45 Auto, later in the .38 Super. Market data provided by Factset. I still shoot it and it is my preferred 1911. When Stevenson sent lawyers to Alice demanding to see the voting records (pursuant to Texas voting statutes) their lawful demands were refused. It has its niche of followers among competition shooters. I used Glocks exclusively for carry went through models and calibers, ending up with the G30 and 45ACP. It was customized with Wilso Combat grip safety, skelontized trigger and green fiber optic front sight. bullets topping 1400 fps. This gun is in excellent condition and is covered by Dury's Lifetime Warranty. Had a guy once tell me there was no such thing, he is now a believer. I mailed 9mm barrel to Gun Smith who for $44.50 he then reamed the barrel to 923. The gun, which has a 1926 patent date, remains in fine mechanical condition, with all original factory markings, and has moderate wear on its grips. The young lawyers following those two Texas legends saw groups of armed men standing all around the street. After shooting M9s in the military I was a decent shot. The 9mm is not my choice short of shooting at paper. As for the loads, the .38 ACP Super is a bit hotter than the 9mm at the top end. The M1911 Pistols Organization Forums Site Help; Remember Me? 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Good choices! Love the gun and caliber. My Dillon 1050 is set up to load almost 1000 rounds per hour of .38 Super with VV N350, 3N37, or 3N38 & WW Auto Comp. Looking for even more I bought some 923 Winchester brass and long story short from the 5 Super 38 barrel using VV 105 powder and 124 gr. If you want to know more about Glenn Elliiott, he has written two books: A Ranger's Ranger and Still A Ranger's Ranger. Previously sold. Hard to find ammo in a platform I dont particularly care for and no, I cant stand Glock either. Got my Star in 1970 and the Colt in the early 1980s. I usually carry the handgun with Wilson Combat magazines. And now looking at either carrying the govt or maybe a commander. Adding to the appearance, as well as function, Trace had the normally coated single-side Tactical Thumb Safety, Bullet Proof slide stop, and High-Ride Beavertail Grip Safety replaced with polished stainless steel versions. Love my Colt 1911 in .38 super. After catching the rustlers, Hamer led a successful effort to organize his neighbors and several other counties around Kimble County to improve the roads so that merchants and farmers could get their products to and from places like San Antonio. But read the ballistics on the 38 Super and the info on Genitron: 1350fps with 500ftlbs in a 124 grain, half the recoil in a 1911 govt. The result? I now carry the .45 ACP. Buy ammo while supplies last. This Colt was shipped to a hardware store in El Paso, Texas in January 1932 for a Texas Ranger named Ralph Rohatch. I am just an old-timer that really likes my .38 Super, but shoots and reloads 10mm also. Tangfolio Match Elite chambered in 9mm. Categories: Semi Auto Pistols Condition: New Manufacturer: Colt Model: 1911 El Samuel Colt Caliber: 38 Super Auto +P SKU: 098289112774 MPN: O1911C-38-ESB UPC: 098289112774 Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Still use it? We are pleased we were able to work in partnership with RR Auction to make the gun legally compliant.. Colt Paterson. First, gangsters (Dillinger, Nelson, etc.) Secondly, a slide short enough to help with concealment, yet long enough to reduce the whippiness found on many truly short-barreled pistols, and still providing a good sight radius. And Its got plenty of rounds. Shoot 38 Super most of the time rather The effectiveness of the caliber cannot be argued. Keep checking back to browse our constantly changing inventory of collectible Colt guns and Colt revolvers for sale or see a full list of our new arrivals. The Winchester Silvertip breaks about 1,200 fps with a 125-grain bullet. Hamer, by then an accomplished detective and gunfighter, studied the way in which Barrow made a wide circle along certain state borders. You wont find a better pistol and caliber. Couple tips / strong suggestions: On horseback pursuing Mexican bandits or errant Comanches, or in the seat of a Crown Victoria sleuthing out a serial killer, Rangers usually carry all their equipment with them. But, ammo is not plentiful and 9mm+P is. I think the fact that during the 60s 38 Super kinda faded and like I said the ammo wasnt really easy to get. Has been in my hip for nearly 20 years loaded with 125 gr Silvertips. The 38 super is fantastic. Required fields are marked *. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! My Para-Ordnance is middle of the road. As for the Colt .38 Super . The gang murdered two Texas Highway Patrol officers at Grapevine, Texas. Item Number: PR52796. recoil spring and a shock-buff. If so, Ill take it off your hands. Range Time No single model could offer every feature every Ranger might want. At about the age of sixteen Coke Stevenson began his career as the sole proprietor of a freight hauling business traveling back and forth across the rugged Hill Country of West Texas every week. With the similarity in parts and components for 1911 manufacturers and ammo makers Im surprised with as much ongoing controversy over the years between effectiveness of 9mm compared to 45 that there hasnt been a resurganceof 38 super that closes that gap, and in some minds exceeds with power, performance and capacity. My father removed this gun from the inside thigh of Bonnie Parker where she had it taped with white, medical, adhesive tape. His reputation as a Texas Ranger would have made him a legend even if he had not apprehended Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker in Louisiana. I know this will sound funny but about the only time I ever even think about the .38 Super is when happening to catch re-reuns of Nash Bridges. One is a Taurus and the other is a Colt. It made an excellent weapon for aircrew members, combat medics , radiomen and machine gunners. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. And an interesting thing that I hope is pure BS was that my FFL dealer told me when I got the .38 Super that buying it was going to cause the ATFE to keep a close eye on me because its such a popular gun south of the border, used by the drug cartels, and since I live in Arizona, the ATFE folks would be watching me, as though I was gun dealer or drug runner, I guess! Keep Reading. Does anyone know how I can obtain ammunition ? I have a rule for my autos: after it fits in the cartridge gauge, I still load them into a clip and prove they can chamber. I loved my .38 super so much i bought a colt competition series a few years ago. COLT PYTHON .357 MAG 6" 6RD STS . What you end up with is a 10 shot stiff 9mm or a 10 shot 357 Magnum+P and after dropping 2 deer with the 923 I can attest to its effectiveness. It is imported to the USA bu European American Arms (EAA) and is called the EAA Witness by the importer. Such a reputation is in itself a most intimidating weapon and Hamer never slowed down as he approached Parrs gunmen. Francis Augustus Hamer (March 17, 1884 July 10, 1955) is best known for ambushing Bonnie and Clyde in 1934. I find very few people casually shoot the Super. Four of his five brothers also became Texas Rangers. TriStar 85680 SPS Vista LNG 1911 Black/CHR 18rd. These Supers belonged to Nelson and were assembled from kits made by the Monarch Gun Company of Hollywood, California by underworld gunsmith H. S. Lebman of Texas. At present, my favorite .38 Super is a Para Ordnance 1911. There is also a brief history after that on the Colt Commander. There were several reasons why the .38 Super didnt take off as Colt hoped it would. It is possible to handload a 115-grain bullet to over 1,400 fps and a 124-grain JHP to a solid 1,350 fps. It is my go to cartridge and has been for years. Hamers first stint as a Texas Ranger was with Captain John H. Rogerss Company C. In his first assignment he put a stop to murders and riots in the Rio Grande Valley that, notwithstanding the efforts of federal troops, had been raging unabated for many months. For general use, I most often practice with a FMJ loading. Its used most commonly in competition teamed with a compensated 1911 (opinion). The .38 Super was introduced in the 1911 handgun in 1929 to arm peace officers with a hard-hitting handgun that offered good penetration against the new breed of mechanized thug. Over many lonely, weary years, he earned the absolute confidence of his neighbors hauling their goods to market. This is easily my favorite caliber to shoot and i have guns in .357 magnum, 9mm 45acp 50ae 44 magnum 10mm 380acp 38special. The first consideration is a 38 Super barrel. Editors note: This post was originally published in January of 2020. Sheriff Henderson Jordan and his deputy, Prentiss Oakley, joined Hamer along with former Ranger Manny Gault. [which also headspaces on the case mouth like the 38 soup, and probably will have the same issues for me, but I long for a new reloading challenge]. My first handgun was a Colt Government Model in .38 Super (built in 1947) which Ive had since the mid-70s. jacketed bullets Im sending them across my Chrony at 1550 fps. The Super 38 and 923 are almost the same and reloaded with Super dies are. At the time, you had to know not to fire a .38 Super in older Colt 1903 pistols. This example comes with a handmade tooled holster from the period. $901.00 $901.00. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Winchester Ranger 9mm; Wolf 223 Ammo; Wolf Ammo; Gun Models. The .38 ACP fired a 130-grain bullet at 1,100 fps. SIG Sauer offers the V-Crown hollow point at about 1,210 fps. But the ideal is not to get yourself so close that no one can miss hitting you with whatever they have to threaten your life, hence the 38 super at 1400 fps you can make shots well past 50 yards and plenty of power to stop just about anything. After months of pondering if I should, I finally gave in and bought the Kimber. Paras quality sometimes left much to be desired, but the best Paras are excellent handguns. GA Sales: 62. They took the opportunity to upgrade the performance of the .38 ACP. A gunman had once jumped out to prevent him from testifying in a trial. Colt's Manufacturing Company, LLC (CMC, formerly Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company) is an American firearms manufacturer, founded in 1855 by Samuel Colt and is now a subsidiary of Czech holding company Colt CZ Group.It is the successor corporation to Colt's earlier firearms-making efforts, which started in 1836. Ironically, they may be a better choice again given the advancements in bullet design. Ha. The nemesis of Bonnie and Clyde packed an M1911 but it was a .38 Super. Problem is, they are extremely hard to find now, especially the Colt Gold Cup Trophy. The smaller-diameter .38 Super in its hottest loads offer greater penetration against light cover than the .45 ACP or 9mm cartridges. Hamer left the Rangers and then returned again in 1921, transferring to Austin where he served as Senior Ranger Captain. The 1911 is a good home for the .38 Super. Home Texas Ranger Museum Artifacts & Exhibits Firearms Colt 38 Super . and quality ammo. Brand: Colt. Shot well and handled very similar to a baby eagle. I recently came across a 1929 Super .38 that also came from Texas. Finally, after the last batch of rounds, which I paid extra attention to the details, still had an alarmingly high rejection rate, I finally said I had enough and sold it for a 10mm. Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson who spent the later part of his illustrious career looking after the harsh, massive Texas Big Bend Country, packed a Colt .45 auto throughout his distinguished career. Saw first 38 super at USPSA match. The town had seen over one hundred men killed in shootouts but the town became tame while Hamer was the city marshal. Throwback Thursday: Taurus Judge Range Report, ATI Milsport SGA 410 All the Advantages of an AR in .410, Ruger SR1911 LW Commander The Lightweight .45 ACP, Rifle Hack: Sighting for 100 Yards at a Distance of 25 Yards, Throwback Thursday: All About Bullet Grain. For more information, please call our knowledgeable staff about our Colt guns today at (877) 214-9327 or feel free to send us email inquiry at info@collectorsfirearms.com. I agree the .38 Super is a fine round in the FWC but I would definitely like to try the standard rounds as well. Maybe then change the name from .38 Super to 9mm Super and lets see how much folks jump on the bandwagon for this new??? With the bull barrel there is no bushing used in the slide so the problem of bushing breakup that some Colt officer-sized guns have experienced is now a thing of the past. The .38 Super is more powerful than the 9mm Luger and only a little, if any, more difficult to handle. I certainly do! The conservative ranchers and almost everyone else in Texas loved Coke Stevenson and what he stood for. Sheriff D. S. Barker recommended Hamer for a position with the Texas Rangers. Winchester offers FMJ loadings at 1,100 fps, Sig Sauer offers a FMJ loading as well. Clyde certainly did not intend to be taken alive. Very Fast. I have three .38 Supers, a Star, Colt 1911 Govt and Kimber Gold Match SE II from their custom shop. .38 Super 1911 Pistols (19 Products) Filter By . *For safetys sake, use Ramped / FULLY supported bbls, (My 1.911s been cut for Para/Clark/Briley style ramps),like Bar.Sto, (My Bar.Stos being fire.lapped / crowned @ 11 degree muzzle, as well as most others, for best accuracy), Wilson.Nowlin, Para.Ord, Springfield, RIA, (EAA/ Tanfoglio, very strong, but different platform, also ramped bbls). I haven't had any issues whatsoever and have a good 3k rounds of this stuff thru my 2 guns. All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. In 1948, Hamer accompanied Gov. What drew me to the round was the cool history and the cool factor (and yeah, its cool, lol). I jumped in and took one shot just to see how the Professional handled. Price: $475.00. Campfire Ranger. Talk about a tack driver, fun to shoot gun. There in the case was a Kimber Pro Carry II in stainless, she was a beauty to say the least. The .45 SAA Colt was a mainstay until John Browning completed his 1911 project. When asked why he carried Colt's .45 Government Model, he replied in typical Ranger fashion 'Because they don't make a Colt .46!' Texas . The loading gate is loose when down. I bought a gun to fit my mistake,and dont regret it ,shoots dead accurate and hardly any recoil. My carry ammo has .357 Magnum power and 17 rounds in the magazine what is not to like? Hamer was a cowboy on the Carr Ranch, between Sheffield and Fort Stockton when he captured the horse thief. trouble getting ammo from LAX Ammo for target and Stephen F. Austin probably never anticipated the historical impact of his organizing a small civilian group to provide protection for immigrants into Tejas. Colt .38 Super sn 44602 - shipped August 22,1947 to Peden Iron & Steel Company, Houston, Texas in a 50 gun shipment. No FTF, as long as no lead exposed @ tip. Texas Rangers are an independent lotalways have beenperhaps from that time alone riding horseback across the vast expanse of Texas. While the .38 Super isnt a mainstream cartridge (rather, its an enthusiasts choice), it is an interesting caliber with much to recommend. I have not personally owned a 38 Super as they were not a popular round during my real active shooting days and the ammo had gotten hard to find. Revolver has approximately 50% original blue. Hamer stuffed a blue steel Colt commercial automatic in his belt and it is this gun that is most interesting to this writer. To Chris. Hamer and the other peace officers used warning shots and tear gas to break the crowd up on more than one occasion while Hughes was locked in the district court vault for safety. 1911forum is your friend. But when you are not much from arms length of a life and death situation I suggest a 45acp in 180 xtp hollow point. In 1911, Hamer started working as a special investigator in Houston. It's unknown when he first acquired the gun, but it is described as a C-engraved, 4 3/4-inch-barreled, blued revolver. Barrel is marked "Texas Ranger". In my shooting experience, people have either never heard of the round, remember it being mentioned in passing, or go through a few hundred rounds of it a week for USPSA or something similar. Local Storage seems to be disabled in your browser. Crime was rampant in the Roaring '20s and peace officers found themselves at a disadvantage when armed with revolvers firing the standard round-nosed .38 Special. In the future might try to acquire a Sig in 38 Super. During that period roughly 37,000 pistols were manufactured mainly for commercial sales although some Foreign and U.S. Government Contracts existed. Energy equals the current watered-down .357 Magnum. I first discovered the .38 Super when I read one of Stephen Hunters Bob Lee Swagger books. used to rainbow trajectories with 45, I have one and love it mine is a rock island sometimes hard to find ammo. Ive shot it a few times but have semi-retired the gun because of age and value but its still a good shooter. I agree that the round can stand its own with the 9 and .45. Barrow, Parker and associate Jimmy Mullens engineered the Eastham prison farm escape and freed Raymond Hamilton, Henry Methvin, Hilton Bybee and Joe Palme. I have that love very much I shoot it in bulleye comp at 50 feet it is great but I need brass for my gun if any body has some get me I will pay for it thank you all. The trigger pull was a crisp 4-1/2 pounds, with very little take up or over-travel. I have heard all the bull about the 9mm. Look at some old gangster photos for 1911s with curiously small holes in the barrel.

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